Elkyman makes the final 4 on Pinks Ohio

[Elkyman]

I want to first thank Dart for making a killer cyl head, as my BBC Pro 1's flow with the best of them for a 325 cfm head.

Anyway, I was one of the lucky ones to be selected to run for the gold as they say, and we went a few rounds. The location was Summit Motor Sports Park, the Old NRP track.

I made the final 16 cut, then made the final 8, took a Grand from Rich:D$$$ is good and then I raced a Mustang, and I got by him and made another $500. so $1500. to the good, then I raced the Dodge Charger in the final 4, and well, we were .008 apart from victory and he won:( but I learned a valueable lesson with 4 holed spacers), and here it is, if your setup is consistant, don't change to a 4 hole spacer for a race, you will beat yourself, like I did on Pinks. On Fri., I put an HVH 4 hole SuperSucker on, and it added some torque to the tires, so the launch rpm had to come down from hazzing the tires on the hit, but the throttle response was like an alcohol engine, man did it rapp up quick, and this is what bit me in the final 4, I spun the tire about a full turn or so, and when we both left, he darts out about a 1/2 a car length, I said to my self "where the hell is he goin???" and it was like slow motion the rest of the way down until the end as I looked right at him in the lights but it was not meant to be for our team, but we had a blast and took a Grand home regardless. Needless to say, after doing some main jetting in the heat, the elky picked up from a 10.05 down to a 9.96 with 4 jet sizes up(this is one of the tests I just didn't have time for and I finally had the time)so it went almost a tenth faster by jets, then I added some more and the mph dropped off as it should and now were back to our original setup and with the open 1: spacer as well, and now the launch rpm will go back up as well, but waht a deal that was, I could have took home over $22,000. in cash and tools and a tool box as well, but, like I said we had a blast just running. The show will air late in Aug. from Norwalk, Ohio, so where your depends when you watch the Elkyman try to catch the Charger, your gonna ROTFL your butt off on what I was doing in the elky to try to get some extra forward motion, so enjoy:D

Thanks again to Dart, the head is a piece of Art, sure wish I could afford bigger heads, and more camshaft.

Does anyone know how much more power I could make if I have the heads cnc'd and intake seriously re-worked for my 505cuin???? Bill, from Awesome engines, your input is much needed here if you read this post, and thanks.:)

Elkyman
John

[Awesome Bill]

You wil most likely pick some up and loose a ton on the bottom. Your head is too big for your engine right now!. But, being you have them, you can make more hp on the mid to top side and would of pulled right by the Charger. You proved my expertise by dropping on a spacer and your bottom end torque come up. Too big, your bottom end was down. 4 hole spacers usually pick a combination up a little on the bottom end nothing on the top unless you don't have a spacer and then the heat soak becomes a factor. Nothing more than 5 hp either way have we ever seen with spacers. If you cnc port your heads, and keep the rpm above 6000, you should make another 25-40 hp with no problem. It will all be over 6000 rpm though. I would run a 2.3" intake valve, (tit) if you could swing it. Put the .135 wall trench push rods in and watch your hp take off above 5000 rpm. Those flag poles you have in there now, being your rpm is way out of line, are usually looking like a flag pole on a windy day. To use the air you will gain, you will have to support the valve train. Nothing like a tit intake valve, good triple valve spring, tit retainer and a push rod as stiff as a virgin man on his wedding night. This will open and close the valve with much more consistency. Other than that, the Sniper Jr. intake will give you a ton more power up top but hurt the bottom. DamBest Dominator tuned right will give you 10-20 more usually over most HP dominators. Fuel droplets look like rain drops in some of them. So thats what I would do, cnc port your heads, work the intake or ebay it and get a Jr., push rods, 2.3 tit valve, Jesel or T&D would be killer and your engine will start making good power in the upper rpm. Right now, your only making 690 hp @ 3900 lbs! 645 @ 3500 lbs. So put that into your equasion and see how it measures up.

1994, we took a stock 2 bolt main 454 1977 truck engine, 3/8 rods, cast crank, trw heavy pistons, did not balance it, I worked the stock oval ports to a killer size and finish, put a 2.19/1.88 stainless valve in it and put a flat tappet Comp Grind in the engine with a Dart 4500 intake, roller rockers, nice TSI 9", 4.56 gear and a 29" tall tire. In the dead heat and hitting the scale @ 3400 lbs, she went 10.006 @ 129.8 mph and was crossing the finish line @ 7600. We had a ton of slippage and thus started our converter campaign on making units that would lock up better. So you can believe it or not, but the engine is still in the customers car and he still occassionally shows up and runs low 10's. Not bad for 14 years ago. Customer name is Darrell Dashields of Salisbury Md. We are getting ready to back half his car, bring it to 8.50 specs in our chassis shop, and put together a brand new 572 complete Dart from top to bottom killer nos engine. He wants to have a little more fun now that everything in his life is settled in. OVAL port heads 14 years ago making 640 rwhp! Go figure. I will be watching for your video! Congradulations.

[Elkyman]

PM sent Bill, thanks for your reply also.

John

[Dart Vader]

Congratulations, by the way!

[WR169]

Congrats on the pinks all out John. :D Where have you been hiding? :confused: It sounds like you had a good time. I'll be looking forward to watching it. :D

Steve

[Elkyman]

Congrats on the pinks all out John. :D Where have you been hiding? :confused: It sounds like you had a good time. I'll be looking forward to watching it. :D

Steve


Hey Steve,

Man, I have been so busy working so I can cover all this time off to go racing!, and Pinks was really cool this time around, at least I had a fighting chance, I just did a boo boo before the race as us racers sometimes do but, we had a blast.

I have little time to get on the web sites lately with working longer hours, racing on the weekends, trying to catch up on sleep and all that fun stuff which I am sure you know about also.

Air date for the Norwalk Pinks is Sept. 4th at 9pm(Thursday) so watch for my goofy face and antics in the elky during my last pass against the Charger, you will laugh for sure. Well, bedtime again, geez, never enough time to do things!

I wil try to stay in better touch with my cyber friends, keep cool and keep the pizza cutters hangin high I have to go to the Night of Fire at Norwalk on Aug. 2nd for a points race then back for another weekend or two, then to Milan for the NMCA event, so more fun time ahead, hope my valve springs hold up!:eek:

Until then, more at 11:00

Elkyman
John

[Elkyman]

Congratulations, by the way!


Thanks Vader, you should also thank Al Mesyn from (Motor City Muscle) at D&S Engines in Troy as he helped me out a bunch with this buildup, and I am sure you guys still want him at your Troy location right????:) Thanks again for a great product, now, if I could only afford an aluminum block!!!!, got any blems for cheap to help the Elkyman be the fastest Elky in Michigan????, in the NMCA?, at Norwalk???- ahh, anyway, thanks again for the support thru Al.

Sincerely
John Gould
Elkyman
3600lbs
goin 9's
with 500 inches:)

[WR169]

It sounds like you have been busy. Do you mind if I post some of this stuff on MSV for ya so they can watch?

[Elkyman]

It sounds like you have been busy. Do you mind if I post some of this stuff on MSV for ya so they can watch?


Heck yeah, by all means please do, I guess I need to get back to copying and saving, and pasteing again:) it just takes up way too much time to keep re-writing the same info over & over, and soon I will have a website for the Elkyman and team(crewchief-wife):D

I didn't do too well in Chicago for the NMCA Superbowl event, went red in the 1st round by -.016, oh'well, at least I'm trying to cut a decent light!!!! I was just trying to get a decent light not cut a hot one, but that's racin as they say.

I will get back to MSV real soon and keep the guys/gals updated also, just so many sites to hit and leave info on, I need that website NOW!!!!:D

Later
John

[Dart Vader]

Thanks Vader, you should also thank Al Mesyn from (Motor City Muscle) at D&S Engines in Troy as he helped me out a bunch with this buildup, and I am sure you guys still want him at your Troy location right????:) Thanks again for a great product, now, if I could only afford an aluminum block!!!!, got any blems for cheap to help the Elkyman be the fastest Elky in Michigan????, in the NMCA?, at Norwalk???- ahh, anyway, thanks again for the support thru Al.

I haven't personally met Al, but I'll have to thank him for helping out next time he stops in.

As far as aluminum blocks are concerned, what sort of horsepower are you making in that thing?

[Elkyman]

Exactly????? I don't know for sure, but if you do some calculations, my elky weighs 3615 with me in it running 9.90's and some low 10:0's at 136-137 mph. Some say around 650 hp but I need more torque, the power will take care of itself down track. Al and I figured to move this pig of mine to high 9's it needs at least 700hp at the wheels, and with a glide trans and a 4:88 gear soon to be changed to a 4:56 to drop some rpm's at the traps as I buzz 8000 at the stripe and it is killing my valve spring centering hardened washers above the shims and under the springs, I found two broken locaters I guess you can call them and the rpm's need to be dropped before serious damage takes place. I may be able to go a little faster and quicker with the gear change, but the fun factor is going away a little with the springs and always adding shims to keep up on the seat pressure's, but what a blast to drive with this engine, nothing but pulling power and most of it at mid to top end on the charge.

I am not so concerned about the big horsepower, but dropping the weight on the front end, and either way I go, by changing front end parts to lighter parts, lighter Strange brakes, and basically a glass front end, glass doors and another paint job vs. a lighter block, it is all just about the same, so I figured if I do another short block with a larger bore, and the alum. block with the same parts I have now, maybe I can get a little quicker and faster, but we all know how much this all cost's right?;), and being of the budget racer type, it will take a few years to afford a new block, and I already have another new GM 427 tall deck truck block for my next build, but it will still be heavy on the front end again, but, have a little more power, see my dilema????

A few guys over in Troy know Al, he's a good guy, to me anyway!! Thanks for your reply also.

ElkyJohn

[Dart Vader]

I don't purport to be an expert by any measure but you might check these out: http://www.dartheads.com/products/aluminum-chevy-small-block-special.html

They are about $1500.00 cheaper than a regular aluminum block and I'm told that they are very good blocks up to 800hp.

If they look like they might be an option you can call (or e-mail) and talk to one of our techs to get a better idea what their limitations are.

Just a thought...

[Elkyman]

Ok, I may have not explained my engine size to you or this is your guys thoughts of weight savings. I have a tall deck truck big block, not a small block, and to do another engine, even with this block and another set of Dart heads and all that goes with another engine build, I would be out of racing for at least one to two seasons to afford this build!!!!!!! I suppose it could be done with enough cash and the right people involved to get 800 plus hp and around 750-800lbs of torque out of it, but it it's limits are 800hp, why not just keep my big block I have now, and just change blocks, pistons, sell the heads, buy another set of larger cfm heads, and add some alum. rods, get a re-balance and go for it with a 1250 or 1300 cfm carb and 14:5:1 comp????? , and, get a cam over .800 lift and some nasty duration and let her have it!:D we all know big blocks make the torque, and the power, but, with some SB2 heads, I could really fly, but I think I would need a better block then, don't ya think?

Dart does have some good deals on part specials right now, and if I had no engine, I would be all over these parts for a killer engine combo. Thanks for your input also Dart Vader, much appreciated, but in this day of high prices, and the economy being so poor, I dought if I could sell my 505 cuin bbc and get enough to buy the block, heads, crank, rods, Pistons and maybe an intake and some gaskets!!!!, I would still need many parts to make it all work and fit my chassis which is set up for a big block already, not counting a new set of headers, blah, blah, blah, so if I had your boss's cash in my bank account, it would, or could be an over the winter project, but I don't have the cash to cover it, bummer for me as the new LSX stuff is really making power. Anyway, thanks a bunch for the heads up on parts available, and your help. Great site too, keep it alive:)

Elkyman John

[Dart Vader]

Ah sorry, I misunderstood what you were looking for.

[Awesome Bill]

I have heard, they are making a BBC China casting for someone not mentioned? It is supposed to retail for under $2750.00. May just be bullcrap, but for your application, you may want to look into it. The DART and BRODIX or DONOVON right now are your only options. Give me a call if your serious and I will be able to help you out with the expense if you are serious. Gotta get that advertisement budget spent this year! PM me or email me @ awesomeengines.biz We can pull about 100lbs off the nose of that cow and would make her life better.