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Old 04-04-2012, 06:15 AM   #1
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Hello:

I am seeking your opinions:

I have a 50's Buick. Stock weight is about 4050 lbs. with a nailhead engine. The nailhead engine
has about the same dimensions as a BBC.

I will be decreasing the weight by fabricating in an aftermarket front suspension, rear end and brakes.

May drop 200 lbs on that.

The car will be a street cruiser - no drag strips. Would like to get into it once in awhile when the cops are stopped for coffee.

I am convinced not to try to rebuild a nailhead or a Buick 455. Do not care about keeping it Buick.

I was going to put a Buick 455 in it because its: BB, 510 on the torque (important to get the heavy car moving), and close in weight to a small block. My problem is it is 40 year old technology, the cost to build and Buick builders are few and far between.

I keep coming back to the Dart sites - today's technology.

Here is my question:

Exactly what Dart block would you put in this car and why?

Thanks.

JD
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Old 04-04-2012, 12:21 PM   #2
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Hello:

I am seeking your opinions:

I have a 50's Buick. Stock weight is about 4050 lbs. with a nailhead engine. The nailhead engine
has about the same dimensions as a BBC.

I will be decreasing the weight by fabricating in an aftermarket front suspension, rear end and brakes.

May drop 200 lbs on that.

The car will be a street cruiser - no drag strips. Would like to get into it once in awhile when the cops are stopped for coffee.

I am convinced not to try to rebuild a nailhead or a Buick 455. Do not care about keeping it Buick.

I was going to put a Buick 455 in it because its: BB, 510 on the torque (important to get the heavy car moving), and close in weight to a small block. My problem is it is 40 year old technology, the cost to build and Buick builders are few and far between.

I keep coming back to the Dart sites - today's technology.

Here is my question:

Exactly what Dart block would you put in this car and why?

Thanks.

JD
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Welcome to the Dart site, What are you looking for as far as HP??

I am kind of partial to the SHP block using a 3.875 stroke X 4.155 bore = 421, Callies crank and rods, With the callies rotator you don't need a stroker pan rods have alot of cam clearance. makes for a nice package Dart has some 227 heads to top it off.

Or you can go BB as there are all kinds of options there to look at!!
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Old 04-04-2012, 03:43 PM   #3
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HP in the 450 to 550 range and torque at least 500.

Torque is more of a priority over hp especially at low rpm's to get it moving.

That would tell me to go Big Block. Con would be more weight.

However, it appears that certain small block Dart builds may be able to almost accomplish the same.

Big or small - must be street able.

Would like to hear input from anyone putting a street able small block dart block in a heavy car and how they like it and if those wished they would have gone big block instead.

And, i like the Dart concept vs used OEM core & going to the machine shop and also vs an HO or ZZ 454 or 502. Dart seems more flexible.

Thanks.

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http://www.taperformance.com/index.asp
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Old 04-05-2012, 05:42 AM   #5
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Dear ComaxRacing:

Been there done that. I am well aware of TA Performance.

I was not expecting that response on this site.

I am a member of online V8Buick.

I am on this site to seek out Dart recommendations and input.

I just do not get the brand loyalty of keep a Buick in a Buick, Chevy in a Chevy, Ford in a Ford theory.

That is fine for Chevy and Ford .... but

Buick has zero "current" performance engines .. period. It is all called GM these days.

So lets go up a level .... GM in a GM.

Makes no sense to me to build something 40 + years old and the money when i can get a Dart engine for the same money or less and current technology.

Am I missing something?

Dart is Dart.

It is not GM (Chevy) or Ford or .. it may be a copy of .. but it is not a GM (Chevy) or Ford.

So if you put a Dart block in a Chevy or Ford .. seems to me that also does not follow brand loyalty.

Someone please enlighten me!

Please provide some Dart block info based on my initial post.
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Old 04-05-2012, 02:16 PM   #6
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I googled Buick performance and came up with that web site, thats it. Try to friggin help someone,do them a favor, use up MY time helping and they get there damn panties in a knot. It wasn't meant as some slam at anybody. If you are looking for people to help you maybe lighten up a little !!!!

Actually I done with this stuff what ever engine you want in there.
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Old 04-07-2012, 06:26 AM   #7
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Dear ComaxRacing:

I'm sorry .. i didn't mean it.

Just looking for answer to the original question:

Exactly what Dart block would you put in this car and why?
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